tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29249921.post3726492887127766296..comments2024-03-28T08:56:49.153-07:00Comments on Davelandblog: Disneyland Gets Marvel-ousDavelandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10720475138513029144noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29249921.post-44273060752770898632014-08-06T14:01:08.825-07:002014-08-06T14:01:08.825-07:00Dreemfinder - I have yet to read an appraisal of t...Dreemfinder - I have yet to read an appraisal of the practices of the current regime at the Disney Corporation that would change my cynicism. With Walt and Roy, creativity and finances were perfectly balanced. Can you tell me where the checks and balances are located today? Glad you like my appraisal of the past, but for the present, my hard-earned dollar will be spent elsewhere.Davelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10720475138513029144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29249921.post-36233323339611553762014-08-06T13:45:49.263-07:002014-08-06T13:45:49.263-07:00Dave, No one does the Disneyland photographic nost...Dave, No one does the Disneyland photographic nostalgia like you do.<br /><br />Can't say I'm enjoying the cynical, simplistic appraisal of the companies objectives and methods.<br /><br />Keep up the good work, in any event... It is much appreciated!Dreemfinderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12604572363076670321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29249921.post-9989917002527225062014-08-05T13:10:47.288-07:002014-08-05T13:10:47.288-07:00I think people misunderstand "Marvel" be...I think people misunderstand "Marvel" because when they hear the name they think "comic books" when in actuality the comic book division of Marvel is extremely small. Marvel was founded as a licensing conglomerate. Even today, the bulk of their investments are in real estate.<br /><br />Anyhow, the Marvel characters have been licensed to the teeth and it is NO surprise that Disney was involved. What is surprising is that Disney is so public about wanting to integrate the Marvel characters with the Disney parks, especially when they are so visible at the Universal parks. Universal's Islands of Adventure park was basically built around the Marvel characters so I don't see it going away. I'll bet that is why Disney won't open a 3rd park dedicated to Marvel - a park like that already exists. But I agree that the Marvel characters don't really fit into Disneyland, thematically. At the very worst, they should stick them in DCA -- the California theme is rickety at best, but they could at least use the Hollywood area as an excuse to show "movie stars" like the Marvel characters.giddy girliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10853784493500255790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29249921.post-80817890016402565142014-08-04T20:05:06.073-07:002014-08-04T20:05:06.073-07:00I have no problem with people who just don't c...I have no problem with people who just don't care for Marvel. On the other hand, the Marvel and Star Wars acquisitions seem to me to differ from what Walt Disney himself did only in scale. Walt Disney purchased or licensed plenty of other folks' creative property and made them part of the Disney/Disneyland story, and I don't think that reflected at all on his creativity.<br /><br />I am also unconvinced that Marvel brings a level of violence that is somehow alien to Disney. Many classic Disney films and TV shows featured both fighting and death, but generally it was of the "good guys always win" variety, which Marvel certainly also has.Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11820294039517432346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29249921.post-12586951418952671002014-08-04T13:43:37.674-07:002014-08-04T13:43:37.674-07:00I always find the Marvel hate odd. Indiana Jones i...I always find the Marvel hate odd. Indiana Jones is a wildly incredible ride, and from a very violent heavy franchise.. Yet no one complains. If Disney does eventually add a quality Marvel addition then I feel it will become part of Disneyland just as Indiana Jones and Star Wars did many years before.Evanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13308039020846153958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29249921.post-81539904888957310852014-08-03T14:49:26.272-07:002014-08-03T14:49:26.272-07:00I too have been receiving a rather frequent amount...I too have been receiving a rather frequent amount of surveys from the Disney resort lately. Maybe their appearance is a good thing that heralds that management knows something is amiss. On the other hand, maybe they only seek validation to continue the existing course. <br /><br />I know exactly what Marvel characters I'd like to see in the park. None. Agreed on the oil-vs-water explanation. Star Wars and Indiana Jones are the furthest out things that can fit into the park, but that's at the border of the boundary as it is. ...But to branch into Marvel or any of those other proposed acquisitions ( Dr. Who?! Hunger Games?!?! ) is just an absurd wet-dream for executives who know nothing of Disney history, what endears it to us fans, and works only in terms of numbers. These were the very people who Walt was up against when creating a park, the ones who said his plan would never work. Now they're in charge. Boooo!!!<br /><br />Only in these last few months have I been able to turn around and see the last few years with more clarity. I'd been riding the haze of my pre-existing love for Disney, oblivious to the changes that were currently made without any of the same regard. Likewise, my annual pass will not be renewed in this next year.<br />Fifthriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06480975804451839176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29249921.post-56036774484048873622014-08-02T15:24:07.609-07:002014-08-02T15:24:07.609-07:00Thanks for answering my question, Dave. It helped...Thanks for answering my question, Dave. It helped me better understand where you’re coming from. In all fairness I should add that I’m a big Marvel fan. The Disneyland I experienced in my youth from 1963 to 1984) was in my mind perfection. Once Eisner arrived I never quite felt the same about the place. Over time I’ve developed a different attitude towards Disneyland and don’t view it as religiously as I once did.<br /> <br />On the subject of a third gate, I like your idea, but I never felt that either Marvel or LucasFilm on their own could sustain a theme park, at least not in the long haul. It would have to be a subcomponent of a larger theme, in other words, a "land" within a theme park. That’s why I have no problem with Marvel or Star Wars being injected into Tomorrowland at this point. To some extent it’s always been a catch-all for contemporary themes and I just don’t see Disney going back to the 1950s mentality of how great the future is going to be.<br /><br />As for your Disneyland burnout, perhaps you might strongly consider giving the place a rest for a while. I had a near solid run of going to Disneyland regularly from 1963 to 2005. Near the end of that period, I started nitpicking so much that I stopped enjoying it. Because of that, I decided to give Disneyland a rest for a while. I didn’t return until they added Buena Vista Street and Cars Land seven years later in 2012 and I found that I thoroughly enjoyed myself like I hadn’t in a long time. It caused me to look at Disneyland through a different lens than I had in the past and I felt a more relaxed attitude towards the place, so to speak. Now I only visit when there are substantial additions or for anniversary years like the 60th coming up. I find I appreciate it more that way. I’ve also developed so many interests and hobbies through the years, that giving Disneyland a rest from time to time is okay. I always enjoy your blog. Thanks, Dave.K. Martinezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960970051790617367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29249921.post-30200516210373631612014-08-02T10:40:16.284-07:002014-08-02T10:40:16.284-07:00Ken - I am happy to answer! First of all, obviousl...Ken - I am happy to answer! First of all, obviously this is all a matter of taste. I have no doubt that many others exist (like you) that love Marvel and have no problem with the co-mingling. My idea of Disneyland is like water…and my idea of Marvel is like oil…the two should not mix. Marvel is a totally different theme, idea, genre, and in addition, brings a level of violence that does not seem to go with the Disney brand. A third gate that is separate? No problem with that. As for Star Wars and Tomorrowland…it is a sad state of affairs for the creative people at Disney when the most innovative ideas they can come up with to represent the future include Star Wars (a fantasy) and Home Depot (which is basically what Innoventions Dream home was). Although the acquisitions of Star Wars and Marvel may have been shrewd business deals, they send a clear message that the creative well at Disney is dead.Davelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10720475138513029144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29249921.post-69250129541923756372014-08-02T10:27:19.945-07:002014-08-02T10:27:19.945-07:00I have no problem with Disney sprinkling some Marv...I have no problem with Disney sprinkling some Marvel brand into Disneyland. It's not really much different than the LucasFilm product they started injecting into the Park over a quarter century ago. As for Mickey Mouse dressed as a Marvel character, they already do that with Star Wars. Spider-Mickey or Goofy-Hulk. I like it! Of course I love the idea of hybrid characters. There's already been a Goofy-stein modeled after the Universal version of Frankenstein with flat head and bolts. Why is Marvel any different?<br /><br />Disneyland Resort reflects the current Disney company product and flavor of the times as it did back in the 1950s when TV westerns like Davy Crockett and Atomic Space Age sci-fi fascination was at its peak. As for money, it’s been that way with Disney long before today. Personally I think Marvel is the smartest acquisition Disney made and is tailor made for the theme park experience. They’d be foolish not exploit it. I fully welcome Marvel into the Disney fold, even at Walt’s original park. Disneyland Park has been coasting on nostalgia far too long and it could use something new to experience there.<br /><br />Dave, Can you tell me specifically why you think Disney and Marvel have no business co-mingling?K. Martinezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960970051790617367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29249921.post-36812530709659899212014-08-02T09:53:27.937-07:002014-08-02T09:53:27.937-07:00Since we moved to the East Coast (South Carolina) ...Since we moved to the East Coast (South Carolina) we have made an anual trip to either WDW or a Disney cruise. So far, we have enjoyed every stay. We do a 4 day cruise, or a 4 day stay at one of the better resorts. Because there is so much space, the merchandising is not so much "in your face", even though it is everywhere. <br /><br />It's so disappointing to here that my beloved Disneyland (and Walt's dream) has succumbed to the dark side. CoxPilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16284076551547506117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29249921.post-49049614188368408162014-08-02T09:19:37.838-07:002014-08-02T09:19:37.838-07:00You and I are so much on the same page! There is ...You and I are so much on the same page! There is coming a time (probably after the 60th Birthday year) that I will not be renewing my AP.Irenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02286032807894115704noreply@blogger.com